Robert said • Arachne
Why not make a beautiful home and invite a bunch of homeless people to live there wit hthe priviso they keep the place tidy. and if not eject them??
Oh yah, that is being cruel and mean and nasty ... well let them destroy the place and you do all the work of cooking and cleaning. Show God how it is done.
Arachne • Robert, you are quick to assume a homeless person would be untidy IF they had a home. Bah, pish, and fie! Hell, god made them homeless in the first place right? God would have also made them untidy right? You believe that don't you?
IF god is love, why is god not loving them and taking care of them? Is he/she/it just waiting to bump them off so that he/she/it can have a sick thrill? I guess you don't see god as a serial killer do you? However, I do find it odd that you would find me being cruel, mean, and nasty IF I showed them the door.
So, you enjoy deSade too huh? However, you have to admit that hellfire is far worse as it lasts longer than what was in 120 Days of Sodom. Right Robert? Baaah!
Arachne • Kiran, the symbol of Baphomet (the two horned goat) is considered a satanist symbol by some that believe in the devil. The only problem with one believing in the devil is that one would have to believe in god. I am not saying you believe in anything at all. A symbol only carries the meaning that people apply. To me, it represents five (penta) pentagram.
Robert said • Arachne,
Oddly enough I think people are people and if you were not trying to evade the question you would have understood it better and perhaps even attempted to answer it.
BTW I have been on ***** for some time and quite familier with atheists avoiding issues and posing a lot of silly questions to evade the central issue that they themselve posed. So until you tell me what you do when people disrespect what you own I will not entertain your questions.
I will say this much, I know God created you but not your attitude, you created this yourself.
Arachne • Robert, I am my own god; I don't need crutches. I also don't subscribe the label atheist. Your question lacks merit, however, I will answer it despite the fact I find it retarded being that it is based on something that does not exist save for in the mind of the human creator. After I answer your question, answer mine. Can you do that big boy?
Arachne • Robert originally said • Arachne
Why not make a beautiful home and invite a bunch of homeless people to live there wit hthe priviso they keep the place tidy. and if not eject them??
A: IF I provided a provision that they keep the place tidy, or be ejected, they would be ejected if they did not comply. This can be looked at as a contract be it verbal or written.
Now it is your turn. Entertain my amended questions.
Robert, you are quick to assume a homeless person would be untidy IF they had a home. Bah, pish, and fie! Hell, god, if god exists, made them homeless in the first place right? If god exists, he would have also made them untidy right? You believe that don't you?
IF god is love, why is god not loving them and taking care of them? Is he/she/it just waiting to bump them off so that he/she/it can have a sick thrill? I guess you don't see god as a serial killer do you? However, I do find it odd that you would find me being cruel, mean, and nasty IF I showed them the door.
So, you enjoy deSade too huh? However, you have to admit that hellfire is far worse as it lasts longer than what was in 120 Days of Sodom. Right Robert? Baaah!
Your god did not give me my attitude? Oh my! Do you mean that I created it all by myself without divine intervention? You surely jest. *cough
Arachne • Robert • Rajesh
YOU do not need God's help. I do not think you are in a position to speak for all of humanity unless you are suggesting you are God. You do understand this goes both ways, God certainly has no need for us. You remind me of a mother telling her son he dos not need to marry the woman he loves because he has mom. Does notwork for me ..sorry.
Correction: God does need sheep to maintain the MYTH of its survival. Santa survives by the same MYTH, however, the santa myth is eventually outgrown.
Why do you imply incest? Couldn't you have used a better example?
Robert • Arachne
Your contract is God's contract. If we live the right way we florish. If the wrong way we suffer the consequences. You act as if God had no control over nature and so He has to actively punish people. Do you not understand the idea of consequences? If you take drugs you suffer the effects? You call this god????? You talk as if people are supposed to be able to do anything and still have a good life.
You see yourself as created by causality yet you think you have free will? SO who created you except you. You do not find that strange but you think God who created man in his own image created automatons? Your ideas are contradictory, and inconsistent and even your divine right to punish people for not living as you say does not help you understand God also has a right to make conditions.
If I have missed something out ask a plain question because you are asking questions and answering them so I assume you do not need my input.
Arachne • Robert • Arachne
Your contract is God's contract.
* I neither agreed to nor signed such a document; ergo, there is no contract. What you do with your fictional character is another story.
If we live the right way we florish.
* What is the "right way" and who decides? Doesn't every individual have their own "right way?" Wouldn't flourish mean different things to different people? What is your brand and why? Do you think that ALL should subscribe to your brand?
If the wrong way we suffer the consequences.
* Scenario: I am poor and I steal a loaf of bread. I have committed theft which is wrong, but the consequence of my doing so has rewarded me with a full belly. I am suffering no more. Did god allow that theft to happen even though "thou shalt not steal?"
You act as if God had no control over nature and so He has to actively punish people.
* I am not acting. How could a vicious invisible male friend manipulate the weather much less punish anyone? He has to actively punish people? Is your invisible friend a top in an S&M scenario?
Do you not understand the idea of consequences?
* Yes indeed I do.
If you take drugs you suffer the effects?
* What kind of drugs are you talking about? I have never taken an illegal substance that did not make me feel good. LSD opened my eyes to EXPERIENCE. I am very happy that I experimented with the drug on numerous occasions.
You call this god?????
* I only call myself my own god.
You talk as if people are supposed to be able to do anything and still have a good life.
* Life is what you make it. I have done many things and I have a wonderful life. You would really be surprised. Do you not think it to be possible?
You see yourself as created by causality yet you think you have free will? SO who created you except you. You do not find that strange but you think God who created man in his own image created automatons?
* Man created god in his own image. There is no bearded lady on a gold throne who must actively punish people. Patriarch!
* Free will is limited by our physical bodies, our environment, and our society. If a 90 year-old with advanced lung cancer expects to win a gold for a triathlon, they would be very hard pressed due to physical limitation. However, if you take a 17 year-old dog with arthritis or hip problems and expect it to run as it did when it was two, that dog would also be very hard pressed due to the same bodily limitations. Mind you, the dog is not aware of god.
Your ideas are contradictory, and inconsistent and even your divine right to punish people for not living as you say does not help you understand God also has a right to make conditions.
* Would you mind pointing out my contradictory and inconsistent statement? I would like to see where I made an error. I have no divine right to punish anyone as I am only divine unto myself. Are you doing some 420 or something? How can your vicious invisible male friend make conditions on me when I am not taking part in your delusion?
If I have missed something out ask a plain question because you are asking questions and answering them so I assume you do not need my input.
*Me thinks you did not address the questions as I put them. However, you now have a whole new batch. When answering questions, it is much clearer to do so point by point so as not to miss anything.
Arachne • Robert, if you have a problem answering my initial questions, I can pose them one at a time so that you may answer them in good form. What say you?
Rick • Arachne if don't believe in God then you will not understand his word. Revelation 14. This for those who refuse to believe in him. So it does not matter if you believe or not,
* As your supposed god did not have his crayons when the bible was created, those who did write it were men. Are you suggesting that I do not understand the written word? Shouldn’t the written word speak for itself or does a type of program have to run in the mind for comprehension to be had? If a program has to run, is that program called indoctrination?
You can not see the wind but it exist.
* The wind can be seen as it blows the trees, one’s hair, sails, people’s clothing, flags, et al.
You can not see electricity but it exist.
* Electricity can be seen in a lightening storm or when sparks fly due to static electricity.
Like it or not that is how things will happen. Jesus fulfilled all sixty prophesies which was mention in over 300 places in the old testament. So before trying to make logic of a subject you have no idea of. I suggest you try knowing the subject before commenting. So your statements do not make since to those who have took time to study this subject in great depth.
* Having been forced into believing as a child, as an adult I did look for truth and logic within religion and the bible. Unfortunately, I found no such animal.
So go ahead and believe what you want,It wont change the truth and what will come.
* I shall believe what I want, but truth differs from person to person as we all have our own perspective.
I know a lot of people will say that is what you believe so be it. But if I'm right what will that mean to those who refuse to believe the truth? So take your chances its your choice. God gave you free will to do that but like a parent he will punish you.
* What do you mean “if [you] are right?” Are you unsure? According to the bible, supposedly god’s word, are you one of the 144,000 individuals getting into heaven? Do you cut the mustard to be in that small margin of ticket holders?
So where did love come from? Where did fear come from? So ask yourself when was the earliest time and how did you come to know love and fear?
* Love and fear are emotions. As such, they are defined as: A natural instinctive state of mind deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others. Any of the particular feelings that characterize such a state of mind, such as joy, anger, love, hate, horror, etc.
* Other animals experience fear as fear is something that you can view based on the reaction of the animal. Unfortunately, we cannot read their facial expressions, but we can read their body language. See Spot run. Run, run, run.
Where does the energy in you body come from and how does it exist you can't see it but it is there.
* It comes from the nutrients in food. You may not see it, but you will feel it. Unlike a supposed feeling of god, if your energy level is not high, you will not be able to do as much as someone with a higher energy level. This article explains it better: http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/3538/1/Energy-How-Does-My-Body-Get-It-And-How-Does-It-Use-It.html
Arachne • I did not come up with the number of 144,000. How did the book of Revelation 14:1 get that number? Did you read it? Read it. I will present it to you. If you say that the 144,000 individuals are teachers, cite it. Hatred? What hatred? A body can go days without food, but the body also experiences very low energy. Have you every tried to drive your car on fumes instead of gas?
From Revelation 14:1:
They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed[c] from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit,[d] for they are without fault before the throne of God.[e]